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  • #1055
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    I’d like to start a running list of events, actions, changes that are resulting from the election of DJ Trump. These may never go anywhere, or they might. What they can do is reveal deep-seated ambitions and animosities.
    I’ll start the list.

    TX lawmaker files bill to require teachers to “out” LGBT students.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/22/texas-republican-wants-to-out-lgbt-kids-in-school.html?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon

  • #1060
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    Well here’s mine. I know he’s an ignorant bigot. UK government rejects Trumps suggestion of Nigel Farage as UK ambassador to US. The current PEOTUS does not seem to understand who can and can’t be an ambassador. Nigel, who is equally as loathsome as the PEOTUS, does not represent the views of Parliament. Or of the UK electorate. Neither is he a member of the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet

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    • #1070
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      Trump doesn’t understand the limits of his power. He’s either going to find out the hard way or we will.

  • #1073
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    Here’s the Latest…Trump intervening (via tweet) most inappropriately with who the UK should appoint as their ambassador to the U.S.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/22/nigel-farage-trump-is-a-very-loyal-man/?wpisrc=nl_wv&wpmm=1

  • #1076
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    *bangs head on desk*

  • #1078
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    Tops on the list for repeal by Republicans and Trump, is a repeal of time and one half wages for workers who earn less than $47,000/year, but work more than 40 hours a week….Bet you thought the 40 hour week was a slam dunk for overtime wages, right?

    What income gap? Anyone knows that people making less than $47K/year are minorities or women….who cares?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-administration-set-to-extend-overtime-pay-to-millions-1463502142

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/house-republicans-donald-trump-231636

    Come on gang! This isn’t even hard………….

    • #1083
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      Well, didn’t have to wait for Trump or the new Congress…a US District Judge just approved an injunction against the overtime rule. Pay equity just lost.

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  • #1102
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    A very controversial pick for head of the Dept of Education – A major voucher activist…public education – go to the back of the bus……..

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/307395-trump-offers-betsy-devos-job-of-education-secretary-report

    • #1104
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      As I dig into texts preparing for my exam, one interesting note is how the early Greeks emphasized education (for free males). Their new concept, democracy, required that participants be able to evaluate a situation and be able to speak for themselves in a court, for example. Public education was extremely important.

      Without public education but with vouchers for private schools, I see the possibility of fewer people who understand the Earth is older than 8,000 years, the real definition of theory, and the importance of thoughtful evaluation when faced with tenets others say cannot be bent.

      Already I’m weary.

    • #1113
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      And this being reported by Politico about the new Sec of Education: “”The pick is a sign that Trump plans to pursue his campaign pledge to push for sweeping school choice, including creating a $20 billion block grant to expand charter and private school options for low-income children – almost as much as the country now spends on funding for schools serving poor kids and special education programs combined. The idea has long been championed by conservatives but has fizzled in Congress. DeVos’ advocacy group helped craft his proposal,” as POLITICO’s Caitlin Emma and Michael Stratford write.”

  • #1103
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    In his NYT interview, Trump disclosed that as president, he will not be subject to conflicts of interest with his businesses – because as president, he is not held to that standard. I wonder what other constitutional and traditional standards Trump will assert independence from? As the WaPo indicated, this is the single most dangerous thing Trump said in his NYT interview. Couple that blatant disregard for legal precedent with a majority Republican Congress who will not check him on over reach, and you are looking at a whole new meaning of democracy.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/22/this-is-the-single-most-dangerous-thing-donald-trump-said-in-his-new-york-times-interview/?tid=pm_politics_pop

  • #1112
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    Trump’s pick for HUD is Dr. Ben Carson. Dr. Carson famously penned an op-ed speaking against housing discrimination laws…calling it an effort to desegregate housing…”These government-engineered attempts to legislate racial equality create consequences that often make matters worse. There are reasonable ways to use housing policy to enhance the opportunities available to lower-income citizens, but based on the history of failed socialist experiments in this country, entrusting the government to get it right can prove downright dangerous.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/23/ben-carson-obamas-housing-rules-try-to-accomplish-/

    “Trump’s leading candidate to lead HUD, a man who may currently be considering a offer to take over that department, would prefer to gut the law preventing housing discrimination — a decision that would come at great cost to people of color, but would be a tremendous financial boon to banks.”

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-offers-housing-secretary-job-to-man-who-wants-to-gut-law-banning-housing-discrimination-58bb3e8defa0?amp%3Butm_medium=email&amp%3Butm_campaign=tp-letters#.64gmlz4x2

    For a man who has already admitted he knows very little about the housing industry (other than growing up in one as a child!), he is about to become point man for DJT in this field………

  • #1116
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    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research

    Donald Trump is poised to eliminate all climate change research conducted by Nasa as part of a crackdown on “politicized science”, his senior adviser on issues relating to the space agency has said.

    Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding in favor of exploration of deep space, with the president-elect having set a goal during the campaign to explore the entire solar system by the end of the century.

    This would mean the elimination of Nasa’s world-renowned research into temperature, ice, clouds and other climate phenomena. Nasa’s network of satellites provide a wealth of information on climate change, with the Earth science division’s budget set to grow to $2bn next year. By comparison, space exploration has been scaled back somewhat, with a proposed budget of $2.8bn in 2017.”

  • #1117
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    One elector is suing his state to let him vote for someone other than Trump. Apparently there are at least six others who plan to vote against him, with a possible seventh. Doubt it’ll be enough to change the results, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anti-trump-presidential-elector-suing-to-unbind-from-states-election-result/ar-AAkIxeU?li=BBnb7Kz

  • #1164
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  • #1165
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    And people like this, disrupt a commercial flight without any response from flight attendants or passengers. We have become so afraid to stand up against bullies…….

  • #1217
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    On the subject of “women’s choice”. Not only are women’s rights being repeatedly threatened and reduced in regards to making decisions about their own bodies, but we can expect this to ramp up given GOP indulgence to their far right base. There are research implications as recent regulations in TX illustrate which impact the use of aborted fetal tissue that has been utilized by scientists to develop life-potential benefits. Women are being criminally charged for self-directed abortions. It is imperative to support PP, the ACLU, NARAL and other groups that protect individual rights.

    http://www.salon.com/2016/12/03/legal-and-still-a-crime-abortion-laws-to-watch-out-for-in-trumps-america/?source=newsletter

  • #1259
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    The recount of general election votes in MI and WI are interesting for what they are revealing. First, the objections of the Trump campaign and the GOP – (Trump who famously stipulated he would dispute any result in which he did not win), the way in which the presidential ballot was phrased (PA) which was very confusing, and the practice of “undercounting” (MI0 in which some 75K + votes were not counted….Combine voter suppression with these other grey areas and the recount may tell us a whole lot more about the voting process in these states even if it does not overturn the award of electoral college votes.

    http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/2016-recount-update-judge-tells-michigan-start-immediately?akid=14960.2546932.gzrvoT&rd=1&src=newsletter1068334&t=3

  • #1295
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    Here’s an update on Jill Stein’s recount effort in the state of Michigan. Read the synopsis of MI recount law closely and see if you are as confused and perplexed as I am with its wording. Remember, the vote difference was a little over 10K between Trump & Clinton so the fact that there are 610 precincts which could not reconcile votes cast is significant and demands confirmation. Note also that the Trump team and the GOP have filed suits to block the recount.

    “Preliminary investigation by election officials in Wayne County found that 610 of the area’s 1,680 precincts could not reconcile the number of votes cast according to the machines with the number of ballots issued according to the electoral rolls. Detroit contains 662 of Wayne’s precincts; in 392 of those, the number of votes didn’t match up.

    Baxter told the News he was confident a recount would match the ballots issued to the paper records, which are sealed and stored under guard. “I don’t think it’s going to be 100%,” he said, “but it never is with a recount.”

    If hand-tallied ballots can’t resolve all the mismatches, the votes will stand in the counties where the errors remain.

    State law rejects a recount in places where the two figures don’t match up: a precinct is ineligible to be recounted if the “number of ballots to be recounted and the number of ballots issued on election day as shown on the poll list or the computer printout do not match and the difference is not explained to the satisfaction of the board of canvassers,” the law says.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/05/us-election-recount-michigan-donald-trump-hillary-clinton?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+morning+briefing+2016&utm_term=202998&subid=20116704&CMP=ema_a-morning-briefing_b-morning-briefing_c-US_d-1

  • #1382
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    Trump’s appointment of Mick Mulvaney to be OMB Director could be an important sign. Mulvaney is well known as a “deficit hawk.”

    I had believed that Trump would Make America Great Again, at least in terms of employment, through deficit spending. If he is really serious about cutting the deficit, unemployment will rise sooner or later. Right now we’re under 5% and people still aren’t happy. If it’s any higher than that in 4 years, Trump ought to have real problems getting reelected.

    • #1383
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      It appears that his plans will be financed by cuts, as opposed to deficit spending. In every appointment, we have proof that those heading these divisions do not wish to preserve them. We can assume that Mulvaney will pursue a balanced budget, tax cuts will reduce revenue, Ryan will cut health care, Puzder will not increase hourly wages, defense budgets will increase, our federal lands will be sold and/or exploited for mineral revenue potential, we will build more prisons and they will cost more to operate through expanded privatization…the list goes on…

      My concern, Creigh, is that so much damage will be done in 4 years that it won’t matter who becomes potus in 2020.

  • #1439
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    Trump’s opportunity to fill judicial vacancies – many of which are lifetime appointments – is huge. Obama had 25 nominations that had cleared the necessary committee process and died for lack of confirmation vote being allowed. This is how the game is going to be played, folks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-to-inherit-more-than-100-court-vacancies-plans-to-reshape-judiciary/2016/12/25/d190dd18-c928-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?utm_term=.283d12f37a75&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

  • #1440
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    Republican plans to enforce sequestration through budget cuts is going to happen on the backs of the poor. “In the House GOP’s most recent budget plan, 62 percent of a stunning $6 trillion in budget cuts over 10 years would come from such programs.” (SNAP-food stamps, rental vouchers for low-income families, programs to fight homelessness, job training, funding for poor school districts, Head Start for young children and Pell grants) Meanwhile, the wealthiest Americans will receive yet another tax cut both in the lower proposed tax rates and in the repeal of the tax that is part of financing for the ACA. The most wealthy country in the world is being led by stingy, small minded politicians and they are in the majority.

    “https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-concern-for-the-poor-is-about-to-be-tested/2016/12/26/1c1c3b2e-c614-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b5acd7b69ae2

  • #1542
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    I see people are still noting that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by over 3 million. However, I think we should take note that that popular vote was heavily concentrated.

    For an exercise, I used the New York Times’ popular vote tallies for the election. (http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president) All I did was subtract from the national tally the votes cast for either Clinton or Trump in Los Angeles County and the five counties making up New York City (Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, and Staten Island). When you subtract the votes from those six counties, Trump ends up narrowly winning the nationwide popular vote:

    Trump – 62018177
    Clinton – 61980920

    I agree with TMerrit that there’s an overtly pessimistic mood about Political Orphans these days, but I think tossing out the fact that Democrats won the popular vote is undermined when we consider that those 3 million Democratic votes probably came entirely from Democrat-controlled big cities on the West and East Coasts. For Democrats to succeed in the Electoral College in the future, they will need to either win back rural white voters, especially in the Rust Belt, or they must maximize urban voter turnout in states like Florida and North Carolina and, in the long term, normally red states like Arizona, Georgia and even Texas in the long run.

    • #1545
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      SolidKarma – You are correct on both points….the popular vote significance and limitations for Democrats to succeed in the electoral college, broadly, and, on the pessimism. I have pledged myself to be more positive. I post frequently so maybe I can help set a more constructive tone. I am going to try. What has happened, IMHO, is that all of us here invested so much in this election that we haven’t been able to emotionally move on. That’s not to say that the challenges in front of us aren’t immense given how Republicans have stated they will use their majority power, but that’s history. Do you have suggestions to help us be more constructive in our efforts/comments? Chris works too hard in offering informative posts to denigrate that effort with negativism, and frankly, there is too much to be done to wallow in self-pity. I’d love to hear more specifics as to what you perceive as a better way forward here on P>O.

    • #1549
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      I’m confused, SolidKarma. Are you saying that votes from NY and LA shouldn’t count? Why?

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    • #1598
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      Hmm, good point Criegh. Every vote matters. I didn’t think too much into my point evidently. Nevertheless, it does showcase that Democrats have a problem in more rural states.

      Mary, I’ve been busy and haven’t much time into thinking about ways to bring more optimism to Political Orphans – I’ll have to think more about specific suggestions -, but one of the things I like to focus on is the great scientific research being conducted in the United States and the work of charitable organizations worldwide. In a world where Western governments seem increasingly gridlocked in their government and uncertain in their future, I think we will increasingly look to worldwide organizations like the Red Cross – and heck, maybe even multinational corporations as Chris Lass has suggested – for innovative solutions to our world’s problems, at least until our governments stabilize once again. We can also post about good things happening in the world, like new vaccines developed and successful humanitarian events.

      The other thought I’ve had to allay my own fears is this: if any one country is equipped with the people and the tools to prevent a potential reestablishment of authoritarian movements, I think it’s the United States.

    • #1599
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      Solid, this country has a problem with rural areas. In an argument over Dr. Carson’s nomination for Secretary of HUD with some dumbass conservatives, I wondered why we don’t have a cabinet-level Secretary for Rural Development.

      Larry McMurtry wrote this in 1968: “While I was in high school, I realized I was seeing the end of a way of life. The brightest minds were no longer to be found on the home place or in the small towns. The city needed them, and the city bought them.” (In A Narrow Grave: Essays On Texas).

      I often wonder what could be done to make these areas attractive to the best and brightest, to keep the best from leaving for the city as soon as they graduate high school. Maybe part of the problem is that the rural economy is a monoculture (agriculture). In the past, the government has made efforts: much of the New Deal was centered outside of cities, and there was a big push for rural electrification in the 40s and 50s. Maybe we should have a Manhattan Project to bring internet to every corner of the country, or something.

  • #1594
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    From the SPLC today:

    “Representative John Lewis, who ended the hearing this week by testifying against the Alabama senator (Sessions), echoed her criticism. Flanked by other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, Lewis reminded the Senate that “[w]e need someone as attorney general who is going to look out for all of us and not just for some of us.”

    In its efforts to defend Sessions, the Trump team passed out a dossier citing an article titled “How Black Democrats Stole Votes in Alabama And Jeff Sessions Tried To Stop It,” written by Hans von Spakovsky.

    As Jane Mayer detailed in a 2012 piece for The New Yorker, von Spakovsky has been peddling baseless myths of voter fraud and calling for voter-roll purges since at least 1997. And he has gained traction. Twenty states have enacted new voter restrictions since 2010. This year, 14 states had new restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election.”

    Think persistent lying doesn’t pay off in “lala land”?

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

  • #1634
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    The world’s power brokers and billionaires converged upon their Annual Davos gathering and were thrilled to hear the first speech by China on: The importance of Free Trade to globalization!

    “World’s most powerful communist, Xi Jinping, argues for free trade at Davos, while president-elect of ‘free’ world argues for protectionism.”

    The ironies abound………

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/18/china-plays-the-adult-as-trump-attacks-the-system/?wpisrc=nl_wv&wpmm=1

  • #1637
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    Trump promised a YUGE infrastructure program. His nominee for Dept of Treasury, Wilber Ross, filled in some of the blanks today in the hearings as to how this program will be funded. I think it’s safe to say that everything under this GOP/Trump administration will be focused on benefiting the private sector under the guise of helping America. Such a crock.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/economists-pan-infrastructure-plan-championed-by-trump-nominees/2017/01/17/0ed1ad5e-dc5e-11e6-918c-99ede3c8cafa_story.html?tid=pm_business_pop

  • #1640
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    You are all familiar with the blunt statements of OGE (Office of Government Ethics) Director, Walter Shaub where he clearly said Trump was failing to meet ethical standards by choosing to not divest himself completely of personal assets which pose conflicts of interest. Following which, Tea Party Freedom Caucus Chairman of the House Oversight Committee, Jasan Chaffetz – famous for grilling HRC, responded by calling Shaub out, demanding he appear before the committee and meet with him personally. Shaub finally agreed but insisted that the meeting between he and Chaffetz be public, which was refused, along with the following not so veiled threats.

    “In his letter last week to Shaub demanding a private transcribed interview, Chaffetz noted his panel holds primary jurisdiction over the OGE and that its statutory authorization lapsed nearly a decade ago. Many of OGE’s defenders said Chaffetz was sending a not-so-veiled threat to cut Shaub’s budget or perhaps even outright eliminate his office. “It’s shocking retaliation,” Eisen said.”

    Here’s where things are now. So this is how Republicans govern. This is what our civil servants in federal government will not have to endure.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ethics-chaffetz-walter-shaub-233807

  • #1648
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    Well, principled bipartisan investigation of Russia’s influence in America’s elections almost bit the bullet. Here’s the story. Note our Democratic senators are fighting back. I’m going to email Sen. Warner and thank him.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/senate-russia-hacking-investigation-trump-233836

  • #1663
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    Useful information: Impeachment of Trump

    “The bottom line is that the impeachment of Donald Trump won’t happen overnight. If it does happen in the next two years, it’ll be because he becomes so crushingly unpopular that the House Republicans feel they need to move against him in order to maintain their own chance of reelection. If it happens at all, it’s more likely to be right after the midterms. And even Trump is impeached, that doesn’t mean his removal will be the result or the goal.

    Six thoughts on the impeachment of Donald Trump

  • #1664
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    What will happen to the Civil Rights Division within the US Justice Department under AG Sessions? Voting rights including gerrymandering cases are in perilous waters……

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/19/what-happens-now-to-justice-dept-s-civil-rights-enforcement/?utm_term=.d1af7e00e3f3&wpisrc=nl_fed&wpmm=1

  • #1665
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    OK, all you TX folks – the power push is already in motion. Don’t like the lower court decision on the highly gerrymandered TX election districts? No problemma – just delay rendering the opinion until the new Trump justice team is in place……..What are the odds that the case will be decided in the Republicans favor?

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/01/trump-transition-texas-voter-id-233946

  • #1667
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    Specifics are beginning to emerge about the austerity budget (for everything but cuts for the 1%) planned for the Trump Administration by the Heritage Foundation. Here’s an outline. Details coming…….as soon as Congress can draft the legislation.

    http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts

  • #1675
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    Trump’s first Obama E.O. rescission – one that hurts little people.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/his-very-first-hour-office-trump-moved-screw-low-income-homeowners

  • #1704
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    We keep hearing from Paul Ryan and others who want to reform entitlements such as medicare about how they might proceed. Here is a current idea being considered that you may wish to learn more about. For all who are in or nearing medicare, brace yourself because change is coming if Republicans can make it happen.

    The legitimacy and illegitimacy of Donald Trump

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